Israel

[Neko Koneko]

Anyone watching the news about this? Those bloody Israelian bastards are starting all kinds of wars again, bombing innocent people for a reason that's completely not within proportions. I hate Israel, that fucking country doesn't even belong there, but after the second world war it was just created there by the allies because the jews had no place to go. Then those bloody arses started stealing land all around and now they are complaining that they're not very popular in the region and attacking everything they can, and building fences on the ground of neighbouring countries. And the stupid western countries don't do anything because of the holocaust 60 years ago.

Israel is a terrorist state. They are fucking arseholes and I have no sympathy for them. When they blow up stuff in Libanon or Palestina it pisses me off, when people in Israel die because of attacks I cheer for it.

[Sephiroth]

I disagree. israel has put up with so much shit and terrorist bombings, suicidal bombings and all this that when they retalliate or have had enough then they get portraid as the bad guys. I am in full support of Israel

[Neko Koneko]

Israel was never supposed to be there. The country was created by the allied forces after the second world war. Right after that Israel built themselves an army and started stealing more ground from neighbouring countries, and because of THAT people are now bombing them. So basically they stole something, the people who they stole from are pissed but Isreal says it's their fault. That's just not fair. If they hadn't been stupid arses stealing other people's countries they now wouldn't have to put up with the shit you mention. It's their well deserved "reward" for their own past actions.

[Sephiroth]

hate to get all religious on ya and i in no way intend on turning this into a religious thread but israel is THEIR country because it was rightfully theirs from god. Israel was originally alot bigger than that but it's been cut down to a much smaller amount. as a christian i fully support the jews in their actions

[Maestrosetti]

It really doesn't matter what you've been through. If you're commiting terrorist acts, then that's a problem. I don't know why people aren't doing anything about this. Holocaust, shmolocaust.

[Neko Koneko]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

hate to get all religious on ya and i in no way intend on turning this into a religious thread but israel is THEIR country because it was rightfully theirs from god. Israel was originally alot bigger than that but it's been cut down to a much smaller amount. as a christian i fully support the jews in their actions

Leave religion out of this. It has nothing to do with this. According to the religion of the palestina people it is their country so don't come with that utter bullshit.

[Alfonso de Sabio]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

hate to get all religious on ya and i in no way intend on turning this into a religious thread but israel is THEIR country because it was rightfully theirs from god. Israel was originally alot bigger than that but it's been cut down to a much smaller amount. as a christian i fully support the jews in their actions

This is a horrible justification. If God declared it to be their land, why didn't he make it so?

[Neko Koneko]

And another one, if Israel can wage war for their religion then why is it wrong when muslims do it? (referring to muslim terrorists here).

[Dark Bring]

Originally Posted by Angelic

Those bloody Israeli bastards are starting all kinds of wars again . . .

Are you sure that it was the Israelis that "started it"?

Originally Posted by Angelic

. . . bombing innocent people for a reason that's completely out of proportions.

Because invading Iraq as a response to 9/11 set a great precedent for disproportional retaliation (involving massive civilian casualties!).

Originally Posted by Angelic

. . . that fucking country doesn't even belong there . . .

What exactly is this standard by which you judge if a country "belongs there"?

Originally Posted by Angelic

. . . but after the second world war it was just created there by the Allies because the Jews had no place to go.

The Jews had plenty of places to go after WWII, and the modern country of Israel was created for entirely different reasons.

You see, in 1947, following increasing levels of violence together with unsuccessful efforts to reconcile the Jewish and Arab populations, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate. Not that we can blame them, of course. It was a dirty and ugly job that nobody wanted to do, like cleaning the toilet after a patient with explosive diarrhoea.

Then, the UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%.

Note that the Netherlands was one of the countries that recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish states, with Jerusalem to be placed under international administration, and also subsequently voted for UN resolution 181. China and United Kingdom (wisely) abstained from this round of sordid business.

Following the adoption of the plan, Arab countries proposed to query the International Court of Justice on the competence of the General Assembly to partition a country against the wishes of the majority of its inhabitants. This was narrowly defeated.

Meeting in Cairo in November and December of 1947, the Arab League then adopted a series of resolutions aimed at a military solution to the conflict.

Thus, one could argue that the Israelis started it, or that the Arab League started it, or that the United Nations started it, or that Hitler started it . . .

Originally Posted by Angelic

Then those bloody arses started stealing land all around . . .

The UN rejected all of the claims.

Originally Posted by Angelic

. . . and now they are complaining that they're not very popular in the region and attacking everything they can . . .

Hmm, I've not heard any of that complaining. In any case, I would say that at this very moment, the armed Israeli response is still remarkably tame. When they start "attacking everything they can", things will be alot uglier.

Originally Posted by Angelic

. . . and building fences on the ground of neighbouring countries.

The definition of "terrorist" would be useful here. If the neighbouring countries can't keep their terrorists from getting to Israel, then Israel will do if for them, free of charge!

Originally Posted by Angelic

And the stupid Western countries don't do anything because of the Holocaust 60 years ago.

I think not. However, the Holocaust is a very useful excuse . . .

Originally Posted by Angelic

Israel is a terrorist state.

And your country had a hand in its creation? Again, define "terrorist".

Originally Posted by Angelic

They are fucking arseholes and I have no sympathy for them.

No on has sympathy for fucking arseholes, but everyone is someone else's fucking arsehole.

Originally Posted by Angelic

When they blow up stuff in Lebanon or Palestine it pisses me off, when people in Israel die because of attacks I cheer for it.

Fair enough, everybody supports their own team.

Originally Posted by Angelic

Israel almost makes me wish that Hitler had finished his damn job because now those stupid fuckers are only causing more trouble in the bloody area.

I am very certain that the process of Hitler finishing his damn job would save us a lot of trouble, because it is not us but our grandfathers or great-grandfathers that will have to deal with the Nazis.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

. . . but Israel is THEIR country because it was rightfully theirs from God.

Debatable. There is no proof if the Israeli God has higher authority than the Islamic God when it comes to real estate disputes.

EDIT: Pointing fingers is fun.

EDIT EDIT: Irony!
Guess what's written on those Israeli cannons?
Rheinmetall.
And what about those Israeli subs and ships?
Blohm + Voß.
These are both German companies.

[Neko Koneko]

I'm never going to believe Discovery channel again when they talk about stuff like this T_T;;

But, what I'm trying to say, mainly, is that Israel should give back the country it took. All of it, not a bit. They shouldn't build fences on other people's land, how would you like it if your neighbour built a fence on your ground? Israel is just giving everyone a big mouth, acting as if they are the king there (well, more like the dictator state dictating the countries around it). No wonder people are pissed off at them.

[Dark Bring]

Yes, I agree that Israel should build their fences on their own ground, even if it is their neighbours' fault that terrorists are using their countries as a base of operations against Israel. The fishing Hezbollah is the reason why Israel is giving Lebanon hell.

I also agree the Israel should return the land to their rightful owner. However, like all real estate disputes between countries (See China-Taiwan, China-India, India-Pakistan, S. Korea-Japan, etc) . . . this is a Gordian knot, and the Alexandrian solution would be massive bloodshed between the involved nations.

[Eddy]

I know, Angelic. I also oppose Israel and think it's rather silly that people accept a Jewish state. Can you imagine the outcry if someone called for a White state? Can you imagine anyone feeling sorry for them if they set up in Africa and found themselves reviled there? Precisely what do the Jews need a state for that every other ethnicity or race doesn't, anyway? Isn't the point of racial equality that no race is given preferential treatment?

[Neko Koneko]

Well, apparently it's officially a war now. Bloody Israelies, thinking they can get away with just anything. I feel sorry for the people who fall on both sides, but I still say Israel only has themselves to blame.

[Egmont]

The Jewish state was conquered in the 1st century, and had been around over 3,000 years before that. There was undeniably a land of the Jews. That's how the term "JEW" came about. It refers to a people of a reigon. The dominant religion of that reigon was Judaism, true, and consequentially most people from that area are of that same religion. But it's also an ethnicity. I am ethnically half Jewish, but I'm not religiously Jewish. Apparently, that means that Angelic wishes I was violently killed in a mass genocide. You know, since I deserve it for being born. My sincerest appologies, Angelic; next time I'll try harder to appease you.

The point is, Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus, a Roman emperor, in 70 AD. Historical fact. The Jewish nation had to have existed for Titus to conquer it. Then the Jews were exiled and moved out all over the world. Many stayed, however; in fact, in the mid-19th century, Jews were the majority in many cities in the area of Israel. So why did it belong to Arabs? The Ottoman Empire had control over it until it's downfall in 1922 when the British created their mandate over Palestine. However, those in power remained Arabic. By 1890, the Jews were the "absolute majority" in many cities in this area, including Jerusalem, because the Jewish families of Europe began moving back to join the Jewish families who had stayed there.

Why? Because of rampant anti-semitism in Europe and Asia. This anti-semitism came to a head in what's known as the Holocaust. The killing of 6 million Jews in Europe is hardly a thing to say "lolz I wish it wruz dcompleted so that isreal wouldn't exist lawl". It was because of this anti-semitism that the need for a Jewish country presented itself. If your race was being killed indescriminately for merely being part of that race, would you want to stay where you are? Would you want to face the risk of death merely for existing? No, you would move to a new place and fix your situation. Unfortunately, anti-semitism exists everywhere. However, Jews were not persecuted as much in America, and so many moved here. And many more moved to the Middle East, to places were Jews were the majority of the population. Namely, Israel. And so, in keeping with Truman's doctrine of "Self-determination," a policy which pretty much ended colonialism and created third-world countries, Israel was created as a country for the Jews. Despite Truman himself being anti-semitist, he helped convince other world leaders to help create the new country.

Immediately after the 1948 Declaration of Independence for the State of Israel (remember, this state was created with the help and support from the UN), it was attacked by Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi, and Lebanese forces. Now, read over what I just said. Israel was attacked first, right after it's independence was established. The country was established with the support from the UN. And the aforementioned countries attacked it. Israel, despite only having been created for a very very short time, not only successfully defended their country, but pushed the attacking forces far out into their own land. This is how war works. This is how Israel was lost in the first place. The next major war, the Suez War, was started when Egypt sent guerilla forces into Israel, prompting a response from Israel, the defenders, and creating a war. The next major war, the Six Day war of 1967, came about by the United Arab Military command gathering forces along the Israeli border, while Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran. In response to the gathering of the Arab Military troops on the Israeli border, the Israelis launched air strikes, and eventually routed the forces. The next major war was the Yom Kippur war of 1973, in which - you guessed it! - the Syrian and Egyptian armies launched simultanious attacks on Israel, and conquered some of the Israeli land. Then Israel got it together and pushed them back. Next, during the Gulf War, Iraq, in an attempt to inflame public opinion, launched 39 SCUD missiles into Israel. The US persuaded Israel not to retaliate, but rather to co-operate with the US in deflecting the attacks.

Now, in all of the wars listed above, the Israelites were attacked first, with the exception of the shortest 6 Day War, in which Israel didn't wait to be attacked but attacked the forces which were assembled right outside of its border. Yet you persist that Israel starts "all kinds of wars"? And you call Israelites "fucking arseholes?" For what, trying to defend their own coutnry which was started with support from the UN in order to escape universal racism and persecution on an ENORMOUS scale?

All information recieved from Wikipedia. I suggest educating yourself by reading the bare facts and THEN forming your own opinions, rather than forming your opinions, spewing them out with no control, and then waiting for someone else to educate you.

[RD]

I was going to say what you did Egmont, and now I will add a bit more.

Palastine wants their land back now. They want land that they lost after they attacked Israel in the 40's. It was an offical war (seeArab-Israel War on Wiki) meaning all land was up for game. Egypt current doesnt want Israel so close from what I hear, but they have their land legaly on the Gaza Strip also from a war. Palestine doent want Israel so close either, and Israel said they will leave but they didnt do it so fast so in true facts, Palestine attacked first, not Israel. All because of land that Israel has OFFICALY AND RIGHTFULY.

@Angelic-
Israel should be there. Their ethnic group is from there and they have a legal country there. Before WWII the area was a British Colony. Afterwords Britian decided to leave and let Israel make a constatution and thus make themself an offical country. If you dont think Israel should be a country blame the Britian. BTW, if you should be mad at anyone, be mad at Palestine. They arnt even a country because they have no constitution. Its a rebel state if anything else.



A war isnt a war unless more then two parties are active in it. You cant just say Israel is blowing things up and they are the only ones. If it was true it isnt a war but an act of terrorism. Israel is just protecting their people and their land, and what ever they want to do in their land is fine by me as long as it doesnt hurt anyone good. If they want a fence, fine; beef up ocuntry borders, its all good.